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From Scott Allen, for About.com

Reader mail: LLC vs. S-corp

Thursday October 28, 2004
A reader writes in with an increasingly common dilemma:

Right now we are in the research phase (I am the sales, marketing, and product / customer / competitor research team - who says there's no I in team:-) Hubby and co-worker are top notch developers, but not really well versed in any of the other parts, so there's a lot of weight on me.

I've completely eliminated partnership, and C corp from the running - so it's really between S Corp and LLC.

My understanding is that both provide for pass through income (more questions about this later), but that with an LLC you can split the membership into unequal parts (in other words the income / expense or membership split in determined at the initial filing (is this correct?), where with an SCorp it is an equal sharing. We are interested in doing a 33% share for the co-worker, a 31% share for me, a 31% share for hubby, and giving each of our 5 kids a 1% share. From my understanding an LLC would be the best way to go.

I'm having trouble understanding the pass through income part. Let's say that the company in its first year produces an income of $100k unevenly over the course of the year. The company had minimal capital to start (maybe $1000), so no one is drawing a regular salary and there are no benefits. Everyone gets paid when there is a sale, which should occur once per month (we sincerely hope:-). Since the income passes through do you just pay everyone whatever their share percentage is? How do you allocate expenses - is it divided again by way of the percentage of shares. When passing through the income for federal taxes do you pass through all of the income and then each individual member gets to "write off" a percentage of the expenses, or do you deduct the expenses from the LLC return and then pass through the "net" income to the members?

What about franchise tax? The state comptroller's office said not to really worry about it, only the largest corps actually have to pay something even though every corp (with a few exceptions) has to file a return - what has your experience been with this? Also, can we be our own registered agents?

Okay...I realize that you are (probably) not an accountant, and (probably) not an attorney - I just seem to be really stuck on not being able to understand the financial side of this which is frustrating because I'm usually able to decode these things (and we definitely can't afford an accountant:-)

Thanks in advance for your help.

--Vexed in Texas

Dear Vexed:

First of all, you're right--I'm not an accountant or an attorney, so this is purely for educational purposes and not to be construed as legal or financial advice.

Now that I've kept our lawyers happy...

For starters, an S-corp can be split hower you want it. You issue X number of shares and allocate them to the owners proportionally. The point of confusion may be that the profit distribution has to be proportional to the share ownership. Of course, that's after salaries are paid, but I'm getting a bit ahead of myself. In short, you can split S-corp ownership however you want.

With an S-corp, you have to pay people – at least on paper – a fair market salary for the job they’re doing. If the money’s not there, you generally defer the salary. With an LLC, though, the owners are essentially self-employed. So, if you make more money than fair market salary, in an LLC, you’ll be paying extra employment taxes, because all of your income will come as “self-employment” income, whereas in the S-corp, anything over fair market salary is a profit distribution, not “wages”, and only subject to your normal income tax, not employment taxes.

But paying more in employment taxes isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Tracking and filing quarterly payroll taxes is a lot of recordkeeping, and it costs you time, and perhaps money, to do. On the other hand, with an LLC, you’ll have to make your personal quarterly estimates, but you only have to actually calculate and file your self-employment tax with your personal tax return.

So purely based on taxation considerations, if you’re expecting to make about fair market salary or less, you’re probably better off with the LLC. If you expect profits to be enough higher than fair market salary to justify the additional payroll record-keeping costs, then S-corp makes more sense. There are also some differences in flexibility re: ownership, but those generally only apply with larger numbers of shareholders.

Regarding franchise tax, in Texas it's only paid on your retained capital, i.e., whatever money you leave in the bank and other corporate assets. For a service company such as yours, in an S-corp or LLC that's distributing most of its profits, it should be very, very small.

I hope I've answered your question. For more information, including some sample calculations regarding the tax advantages, see:
S-Corp vs. LLC
LLC information at Nolo.com
S-corp information at Nolo.com

Comments

June 14, 2007 at 10:56 pm
(1) Lucy Zapf says:

Hi
I have a question about minority shareholders of an S Corp.
I was 100% owner of an S-Corp and sold 95% of the shares over a 2 year period. The first sale was for 49% and took place in April so it was a short year sale. The buyer did not want to buy the retained earnings so we created a separate account for the new ownership and the old sales and bills were taken out of the old account. When the last sale of 44% took place the next March the second owner also did not want to pay for the retained earnings and we worked out a % for the short year of 12.46%. Now the problem was because the company worked on an accrual method we did not take the retained earnings from the previous year so the company could run. We are now having problems getting paid and the new owners are claming the Stock Basis from the previous year is to be based on the 12.46% Not the 51% which I owned the year before. Please tell me how I should deal with this, because they refuse to pay me.
Thanks
LZ

June 14, 2007 at 11:07 pm
(2) entrepreneurs says:

Three words: hire an attorney. You should be able to get a free consultation to determine whether you have a case or not. Hopefully you can settle it outside of court, but until you have an attorney contact them, they’re not going to take you seriously.

September 5, 2007 at 9:19 am
(3) Den says:

But can an LLC have an employee payroll and benefits?

September 5, 2007 at 9:53 am
(4) entrepreneurs says:

Absolutely. Actually, a sole proprietor can have an employee payroll and benefits.

January 16, 2009 at 4:08 pm
(5) TJ says:

so an S corp can reduce SE tax - but which is better if there is also a single 401K. Assuming $100k profits and wyhat i think i know- please correct my errors.
An LLC would pay SE tax on full $100k but would be able to defer 25% of $100k
An S corp with $50k w-2 and $50k distributions could only defer 25% of $50k.

January 27, 2009 at 2:48 pm
(6) Alex says:

The question of how to form seems to be a big one these days. LLC or Corporation? I found that most of the web sites out there are selling more than informing. When I did my due diligence I looked at abut a dozen different sites and talked to a lawyer too. I decided to go with a site that was very upfront about the costs, had a ton of information and seemed to really know what they were doing… You might try them out. CenterPoint Corporate Services in Nevada.

April 12, 2009 at 9:14 pm
(7) John says:

Can you stransition an LLC into an S corp?

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